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still, under vatican law, the trial must proceed. a formal verdict is expected on saturday. >> brown: for more on all of this we turn to naomi o'leary who is covers the vatican for reuters in rome. hat kind of documens was the pope's butler taking? what do we know? >> reporter: well, from what we learned from his testimony and from the testimony of the police, these were documents that were of aÑi sensitive natue taken from the pope's apartment. some of them had been written on by the pope himself with words like "to be destroyed," for example. now, these documents, the butler admits he leaked to an italian journalist, and they appeared in a book earlier this year which caused a bit of discomfort for the vatican because inside those documents there were allegations of improper business dealings and of rivalries between cardinals. >> brown: tell us a little bit more about that. the butler says he did it. but he also says he did it to expose corruption. what kind of corruption? what are we talking about? >> reporter: the documents tha
still, under vatican law, the trial must proceed. a formal verdict is expected on saturday. >> brown: for more on all of this we turn to naomi o'leary who is covers the vatican for reuters in rome. hat kind of documens was the pope's butler taking? what do we know? >> reporter: well, from what we learned from his testimony and from the testimony of the police, these were documents that were of aÑi sensitive natue taken from the pope's apartment. some of them had been written on by...
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law. it was one of the strictest laws in the country and everyone wanted to know if it was going to go into effect before this election. republican supporters say this kind of law would stop voter fraud. democrats said not really that it would really just keep a lot of voters from being able to vote. real, legitimate citizens who maybe just don't happen to have an i.d., driver's license, or passport. joining me now is cnn crime and justice correspondent joe johns. so, joe, let's break this down. since this is breaking news and you know how it can go with legal decisions, they can be looked at a whole lot of different ways. this particular case, this judge had to look at not the constitutionality of voter i.d.s, he had to look at specifically whether the people of pennsylvania all had equal access to get i.d.s and get to the polls in time. and he's reversed himself from his earlier decision. where does this leave us? >> well, big picture. okay, ashleigh, it's a victory for opponents of the
law. it was one of the strictest laws in the country and everyone wanted to know if it was going to go into effect before this election. republican supporters say this kind of law would stop voter fraud. democrats said not really that it would really just keep a lot of voters from being able to vote. real, legitimate citizens who maybe just don't happen to have an i.d., driver's license, or passport. joining me now is cnn crime and justice correspondent joe johns. so, joe, let's break this...
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supreme court which we modeled our law after the indiana law. ultimately i don't believe there would have been any disenfranchised voters to the polls this november. it was a straw man argument used by the left to try and stop the i.d., to try to maintain status co- to ultimately protect the forces of corruption. we've seen acorn filing fictitious registrations in 20. we've had prosecutions in pennsylvania for election fraud. ultimately i believe that this law will stand. it's going to be the will of the people, the majority of pennsylvanians want to make sure that this policy is in place to protect every legally cast vote to ensure the forces of corruption do not have their way with undermining the will of the people. >> suarez: is it still unclear though where this is all going to end up? given the court setbacks in ohio, in various other states where they've tried to limit the days of early voting, raise the threshold for identification when you come to the polls, various rule changes in advance of this november 6? >> i think we're expecting
supreme court which we modeled our law after the indiana law. ultimately i don't believe there would have been any disenfranchised voters to the polls this november. it was a straw man argument used by the left to try and stop the i.d., to try to maintain status co- to ultimately protect the forces of corruption. we've seen acorn filing fictitious registrations in 20. we've had prosecutions in pennsylvania for election fraud. ultimately i believe that this law will stand. it's going to be the...
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but that's already the law. and that doesn't help the millions of people out there with preexisting conditions. there's a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it wasn't a government takeover of health care. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. but what it does say is that insurers, you've got to take everybody. now, that also means you've got more customers. but when governor romney says that he'll replace it with something, but can't detail how it will be in fact replaced, and the reason he set up the system he did in massachusetts was because there isn't a better way of dealing with the preexisting conditions problem. it just reminds me of, he says he's going to close deductions and loopholes for his tax plan. that's how it's going to be paid for. but we don't know the details. he says he's going to replace dodd-frank, wall street reform, but we don't know exactly which ones. he won't tell us. he now says he's going to replace obamacare and ensure that all the
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an illinois doctor and candidate shreds the president's health care law to bits. you will see the wild video that has gone viral. the doctor is here, next. and senator john mccain, tweeting about the debate. if that debate was a fight, they would have stopped t. senator mccain has much more to say about the debate. he is here. plus, how you can get free airline tickets? all have you to do is cast your vote for president. are you interested? we'll tell you how. don't go away. are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? [ male announcer ] it's the age-old question of travel. the same one we ask ourselves every day. is it the safest, the most efficient? have we created the kind of vehicle to move not just people... but an industry fward? are we there yet? are we really? [ male announcer ] are we there yet? we are, for now. introducing the all-new seven passenger gl. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. >> greta: fasten your seat belts. have you never heard a blistering critique of obamacare like this. who is it coming from? dr. barbara bellar, a former nun,
an illinois doctor and candidate shreds the president's health care law to bits. you will see the wild video that has gone viral. the doctor is here, next. and senator john mccain, tweeting about the debate. if that debate was a fight, they would have stopped t. senator mccain has much more to say about the debate. he is here. plus, how you can get free airline tickets? all have you to do is cast your vote for president. are you interested? we'll tell you how. don't go away. are we there yet?...
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how do you write a law that covers both? ofi've never been accused being the one with the hopeful aspirational views. we have had this compelling explanation. of how hard it is to draw lines. what exactly is the difference between when i go in the ballot box and i both purely of my personal economic self-interest -- i might not want my taxes to go higher and this guy will make a lower -- why is that differed from someone who says i don't want the taxes of my corporation to be higher? all this sounds to me like an argument to stop trying to write these incredibly complex rules that people work around. what is the case for rules? >> let's say you have some hedge fund donor who lives in connecticut and gave a lot of money to obama in 2008. she is liberal, and environmentalists, all those things, and he has decided that obama is no good. he is still a donor. but don't really care about that. i found it quite shocking that governor romney in a speech took a set of positions about the middle east that will box him in in a way the
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those popular deductions will remain in the law. and what will happen is that we'll cut government services and they've already said what they want to cut. big bird is a little tiny part of it. >> yeah. >> they want to gut medicare, they want to gut social security. they want to increase military spending way beyond what the pentagon wants when we're shutting down these two wars. >> all right. i want to play this. here's what romney said regarding deductions of outsourcing. here it is. >> as you said, you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas? look, i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. i maybe need to get a new accountant. >> what's he lying about here? >> there are a whole varieties of subsidies that go to companies that move overseas. there's a report out momentarily, or recently, about $168 million. that's a small part of it. one of the fundamental rules here is that american corporations are allowed to build up untaxed profits offshore. american companies are sitting on $6 trillion
those popular deductions will remain in the law. and what will happen is that we'll cut government services and they've already said what they want to cut. big bird is a little tiny part of it. >> yeah. >> they want to gut medicare, they want to gut social security. they want to increase military spending way beyond what the pentagon wants when we're shutting down these two wars. >> all right. i want to play this. here's what romney said regarding deductions of outsourcing....
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law the judge has blocked, at least for this general election. what do you make of those two states that you know especially well? >> well, pennsylvania, i think the voter i.d. law had the potential to affect 50, 100,000 votes. that's wiped away now. pretty clear that president obama is going to carry pennsylvania. what the surprise is ohio. always a tossup state. even in the poll today, which showed governor romney narrowing it in virginia and florida. ohio state at eight points f p if ohio folks don't move in the next days after the debate, time for romney folks to cash in ohio. >> you take the media hit for a couple of days there, but ohio, pennsylvania, they represent a type of voter or a group of voters would know romney needs. tries to make up ground on the auto bailouts saying that is not exactly what i meant at the time, i was really in line with what played out there, we know it was not but the type of voter or the group of voters in ohio that we have talked so much about, white males in particular, working class, middle class people, th
law the judge has blocked, at least for this general election. what do you make of those two states that you know especially well? >> well, pennsylvania, i think the voter i.d. law had the potential to affect 50, 100,000 votes. that's wiped away now. pretty clear that president obama is going to carry pennsylvania. what the surprise is ohio. always a tossup state. even in the poll today, which showed governor romney narrowing it in virginia and florida. ohio state at eight points f p if...
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i am a law student at cornell in upstate new york. i do not think the president has provided the right environment for businesses and for students and especially. i know too many people who are suffering under lost or that or student dead right now and cannot find a job and are living at home. i think mitt romney, with his experience as a businessman making the tough decisions and understanding how to make efficiency and competitiveness your top concerns will change that and give opportunities to people. we have had enough time with barack obama. it is time for results. it is time for a difference. >> thank you for justin, watching us in new york. up next is cody, in alexandria, virginia, an independent. what question would you ask? caller: i would ask mitt romney what he actually has an account offshore, an offshore account. that is something very troubling. when you go to most of his republican party campaigns, they want to create -- to seem credible, that he is american. i want to know why he decided to go offshore, and if that mak
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i never use it for college, law school, or to get a job. others have backed me up. the boston globe interviewed two dozen people on this. they said in print that he voted for scott brown. it would not know about it until years later. i want to say something about character, since that is the issue. i think character is how you live your life. and the daughter of a janitor who ended up as a professor at harvard law school and working for the president of united states, i am proud of the two children i have raised and the husband i have had for 32 years and by three grandchildren. i have taught school. i have taught a generation of students. hello, occasionally, inspired a few of them. i have -- but i hope, occasionally, inspired a few of them. >> have you model this issue in the campaign? >> i wish i had been faster in answering the question. but the truth is the truth. i believe my mother. i cannot imagine what kind of test of character would be to say that my mother lied to me from the day i was born until the day she died. >> senator, is this disqualifying? >> no,
i never use it for college, law school, or to get a job. others have backed me up. the boston globe interviewed two dozen people on this. they said in print that he voted for scott brown. it would not know about it until years later. i want to say something about character, since that is the issue. i think character is how you live your life. and the daughter of a janitor who ended up as a professor at harvard law school and working for the president of united states, i am proud of the two...
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maryland.but a judge may in - decide this week whether interree gammng terminals fall under the state's casino laws. melinda roeder explains what's at sttke for ooerators and taxp. at this bingo hall in south baltimore... players can purchaseecredits fr so-called to customers for a fee"..... they go online... and play games - sooe evennsimulate slot machines -- and players say it's no differenttthan a 03/16/2012 - ericcluedtke) - &p"they're not going in there t check their email. they're going in there t get the free sweepstakks entrres that they then use to reveal prices wwthh slots style games."state year to efine slot machines.... including "through the internet."last month - baltimore's city opinion - that such games should be considered illlgall... and fall under the oversight of the "state lottery commission."without &pbeinn regulated - owners aren't ppying taxes... competition with casinos and lotterr retailers who follow revenue goes to the taxpayers. ii doens't go ouu to help gamblers annonymous. t doesnn' bring revenue to he state. it actually steals money from the staae because to a leea
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the law itself. nbc news's justice correspondent pete williams joins us now. pete, good afternoon. what did the judge actually say about why he decided to rule this way? >> reporter: well, let's track what's happened here. the state first passed the law and said if you don't have a dlls, you need a government i.d. if you don't have the driver's license, then you could get the nondriver's state issued i.d. and then the state said, wait a minute, that's a secure form of i.d., so if you want that you're going to have to have a certificate, birth certificate with a raised seal and three other forms of identification. well, that was a problem. so then the state said, okay, here is what we're going to do. we'll issue a new form of i.d. that's good only for voting, and they started to do that, but they said you could only get that if you couldn't qualify for the other forms. then they changed their mind on that. so what the judge finally said is, i think the state now has it about right, that it's easy to g
the law itself. nbc news's justice correspondent pete williams joins us now. pete, good afternoon. what did the judge actually say about why he decided to rule this way? >> reporter: well, let's track what's happened here. the state first passed the law and said if you don't have a dlls, you need a government i.d. if you don't have the driver's license, then you could get the nondriver's state issued i.d. and then the state said, wait a minute, that's a secure form of i.d., so if you want...
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consider after passing the campaign law and telling the american people what it was, persuading it about the merits, he let the republicans do that. now it's obama care and it's unpopular because he let that gap be filled by the opposition. >> john, speaking of that 2008 campaign, one of the things that impressed me and i think impressed a lot of people was not just the mail and the messages and the ads out of the obama campaign, but the actual perception they were running an effective campaign and he was an effective leader because of that campaign. does that typically persuade voters, the perception of a good campaign? >> i think it does. it suggests he can manage a big undertaking because a presidential campaign is large and messy, trust me. he managed it with great success in 2008. beating hillary clinton, coming out of nowhere, defeating john mccain. there were very few mistakes common about bitter and guns and religion in pennsylvania was certainly one mistake. he didn't make very many mistakes that whole time. >> john, putting bad campaigners aside for a minute, let's talk about r
consider after passing the campaign law and telling the american people what it was, persuading it about the merits, he let the republicans do that. now it's obama care and it's unpopular because he let that gap be filled by the opposition. >> john, speaking of that 2008 campaign, one of the things that impressed me and i think impressed a lot of people was not just the mail and the messages and the ads out of the obama campaign, but the actual perception they were running an effective...
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>>guest: the law says you must give two months notice. that would be the friday before election day. the administration doesn't want the lay off notices so earlier this year, this summer, they said the defense contractors, lockheed market, you don't need to send the notices and look heed said i am not seeing a lost specifics as far as preventing us from going forward with not doing it so on friday the administration offered to pick up the liability because this is the law as well as the costs of limiting the guys go if the layoffs happen. this is a lost deal making, a lot of politics in this situation because the defense contractors big in virginia which is a battle ground state. >>neil: can they do that? is that legal? >>guest: well, republicans say no, republicans are saying the white house is playing politics with this. the g.o.p. is going to go on the offense on the sequester. they note that the house republicans have passed a plan that would hold off the cuts and would replace them with other cuts. the administration has not adopted
>>guest: the law says you must give two months notice. that would be the friday before election day. the administration doesn't want the lay off notices so earlier this year, this summer, they said the defense contractors, lockheed market, you don't need to send the notices and look heed said i am not seeing a lost specifics as far as preventing us from going forward with not doing it so on friday the administration offered to pick up the liability because this is the law as well as the...
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. >> reporter: the debate later turned to the president's health care law which romney says he will get rid of if elected. >> it cuts $716 billion from medicare to pay for it. i want to put that money back in medicare. it has killed jobs. >> reporter: but the president tried to bring it back to romney's own health care law which he says is quite similar. >> governor romney did a good thing working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model. it hasn't destroyed jobs. >> reporter: there were few fireworks and there were even fewer surprises. both candidates were deliberate going through their policy points. rob, paula, at times that made it seem look they were more concerned with getting through their checklist than really connecting with voters watching at home. >> all right, karen. a moment when they were talking what programs would be cut. all of a sudden you heard sesame street, big bird, big bird started trending. tell us what happened? >> oh, yeah, don't let your kids hear this one. big bird is apparently on the chopping block in a mitt romney budg
. >> reporter: the debate later turned to the president's health care law which romney says he will get rid of if elected. >> it cuts $716 billion from medicare to pay for it. i want to put that money back in medicare. it has killed jobs. >> reporter: but the president tried to bring it back to romney's own health care law which he says is quite similar. >> governor romney did a good thing working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical...
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i was at the university of virginia school of law. i was on the law review. i wasn't the president. nevertheless, when you rise to that rank at harvard law school, you rise to that rank because you are smart and you know your stuff. well, last night barack obama showed up at this debate as the guy who kind of blew off studying until the last minute and maybe pulled an all nighter and thought he was going to get by on his whit and maybe a little bit on his charm. last night that wasn't good enough up against the guy who prepares to the hilt for a presentation with investors or in this case with the american voters. it didn't work. >> bill: i will be on with ms. laura on her radio program tomorrow. >> yeah. here we go. >> bill: it will be interesting. jon stewart talking trash on gma this morning about me. the tip 60 seconds away. >> factor tip of the day in just a moment. but first, first-day sales of "killing kennedy," more than one one -- more than 100,000 copies. thanks for that. if you buy "killing kennedy," we will send you the book "darkness rising," absolutely free of charge.
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the weight exemption to the law will be removed. the new law requires children under 8 years old to be in a safety seat unless they are 4 feet 9 inches. according to the national highway traffic safety association, a car crashes are the number-one killer of children in the nation. >> an investigation is underway into a deadly school bus accident this morning involving two buses in texas. one of those bus drivers was killed when the bus hit the median and crashed into another bus head-on. eyewitnesses said the buses traveling northbound when the driver appeared to lose control. about 45 students were on board each bus. police are looking into whether the driver suffered some sort of medical condition. >> the taliban is claiming responsibility for the latest deadly attack on u.s. forces in afghanistan. a day after a marriage can was killed at a checkpoint in the country. -- an american was killed at a checkpoint in the country. there were approached by taliban suicide bomber who was also on foot. also killed in the attack, four afghan
the weight exemption to the law will be removed. the new law requires children under 8 years old to be in a safety seat unless they are 4 feet 9 inches. according to the national highway traffic safety association, a car crashes are the number-one killer of children in the nation. >> an investigation is underway into a deadly school bus accident this morning involving two buses in texas. one of those bus drivers was killed when the bus hit the median and crashed into another bus head-on....
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that's not the law in pennsylvania. the law is you can show up even if you don't have this i.d. you're allowed to vote. they tried to change the law, they could not get away with it. what about that ad campaign? depending on how those conversations go, they may not have got wan with changing the law but it might work to keep the people without i.d.s away from the polling place. the people fighting the new law in the first place are asking the judge to quash the ad campaign too. they are looking into the matter. the mechanics of the election are upon us now. this was ohio today. yes, those are tents. people were sleeping in them because early voting started in ohio today and people slept out to be first in line. is technically, he did quash it and this should ought to be the most important thing. the bottom line here, in pennsylvania is that as of this judge's ruling today, you do not have to have a driver's license or another form of government issued i.d. election and how it is run. and in some ways how the election is being run and how the campaign prepares for it looks a litt
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laws in effect. seven others ask for photo i.d.s but allow casting a ballot if the voter can provide another form of identification. five more states have passed strict voter i.d. laws that have now been blocked or put on hold now including pennsylvania. >> some democrats were concerned the voter i.d. law could make pennsylvania a closer contest than the polls currently suggest. now after today, they don't have to worry as much. >> reporter: nationwide the toughest voter i.d. laws are facing resistance in court. more states are likely to require photo i.d.s of some kind in future elections. brian? >> pete williams in our d.c. newsroom tonight, thanks. >>> we mentioned this consumer story in the news tonight. a staple of american life, peanut butter has become a source of worry in recent days because of the recall that's big and getting bigger. now including different brand names and all kinds of other products like cookies, crackers and sauces. our report tonight from nbc's chris jansing. >> reporter
laws in effect. seven others ask for photo i.d.s but allow casting a ballot if the voter can provide another form of identification. five more states have passed strict voter i.d. laws that have now been blocked or put on hold now including pennsylvania. >> some democrats were concerned the voter i.d. law could make pennsylvania a closer contest than the polls currently suggest. now after today, they don't have to worry as much. >> reporter: nationwide the toughest voter i.d. laws...
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when he first came out of harvard he worked for a law firm in new york city. when he went to arizona he tried to set up a system where you have lawyers appointed for indigents. then something happened in may of 1984 where he takes off with $100,000 of a client's, allegedly and then starts off on this life of crime. >> what's the spying about? >> the espionage case has to do -- as all this was spinning up, he tried to make contact with or made contact with a hostile foreign power or an intelligence officer and because of his former secret clearance the fact he was a reservist in intelligence that's what he was saying, they wanted to know why are you talking to these people. and that is something that now that they have him, they will focus on. >> he was hiding in plain site. he was having pictures taken with senator john mccain, congresswoman michele bachmann. >> george bush, rudy giuliani. >> that's incredible. great to see both of you. thank you. >>> crash dumys used to be nothing more than rag dolls. now they go hi-tech. we go into a facility where some smar
when he first came out of harvard he worked for a law firm in new york city. when he went to arizona he tried to set up a system where you have lawyers appointed for indigents. then something happened in may of 1984 where he takes off with $100,000 of a client's, allegedly and then starts off on this life of crime. >> what's the spying about? >> the espionage case has to do -- as all this was spinning up, he tried to make contact with or made contact with a hostile foreign power or...